[Music][Music] Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Trackside, the Podcast for marshals My name is Jamey Osborne. And Jessica Althoff here. And we are talking motor sports and we've got a very interesting episode for you this time. It's a little different. We're not really talking about marshalling per se, but it's an event where many marshals earn a lot of track time. And they're called HPDEs, high performance driving education events and they're held at many tracks all over the country as you might know if you're already a Marshall and if you're not. They're a great way to practice your marshalling basically while other people practice their driving. We're going to visit with Dr. Wayshen Chin and Austin Selt from Chin Motorsports. They're going to tell us how their program works, how it came to be and all that good stuff. And it's a kind of an interesting episode because I learned a lot of stuff when we talked to them just that I didn't know how they work in such, but the way the programs work from the inside is very, very cool. It's really interesting stuff. Yeah, it seems like it's kind of the grassroots group that they have. I mean, Bill, can I talk about how it got started and how it started. We've known the Chin people for a long time now. And the one thing I've said for years is that, especially so Pit Lane is a huge component of that is in terms of marshalling. And I've said it a million times. If you can master being a Pit Lane Marshall for an event like this, you can do anything because we really do it all. And it's not to say that the flaggers don't. Of course, the flag marshals are huge. It just as they always would be, but Pit Lane, I mean, you do it all. And we can kind of talk more about that at the end after we've kind of run through the episode, but it's a really great opportunity to get marshalling experience. If you're somewhere maybe doesn't have as much racing, but they do have events like this, definitely look into getting involved with that if you want to get some more weekends in for marshalling. So yeah, no, this was a fun one for sure. But before we get to that, we've had a couple of events recently. You were in NASCAR at Coda. You want to tell us about that one? Oh, NASCAR. Coda. Yeah, it's the, what I think I believe it was the third event of NASCAR for the year. They have their 500. They went to Atlanta and then they were back to Coda. And I've worked the NASCAR event. It's funny because NASCAR is the one event at Coda every year that I don't do as a Marshall. And, or involved with the marshalling program in some way. I was actually in a cleanup truck and there are the trucks from Texas Motors, motor speedway that come down. NASCAR is very, how do I put it? They work with a number of tracks and companies. They own a bunch of tracks. If you didn't know that Speedway Motorsports, I believe that's their name. I could be munching it, but it's a SMS. They own Texas Motor Speedway. They own Charlotte. They own many of the tracks that NASCAR run on. And their teams go and help the other races. So TMS, Texas Motor Sports, Texas Motor Speedway is a natural component to support the Coda race. And so their teams come down with safety workers and clean-up workers. And all of that plus the whole brigade that follows NASCAR around. And so it's kind of fun to be in that world because I get to sit in a cleanup truck. I'm wearing a fire suit all weekend and run out. And last year I repaired a tire barrier. And this year we didn't really have any major stuff to go clean up. But Shelby, our driver always volunteers us for a bunch of stuff. So we ended up having a bunch of stuff. We had a huge oil cleanup on Friday. And so those are always interesting because we have to run the cleanup truck and drop the oil dry and run the broom and do all that stuff. And you've got to do it fast because everything in NASCAR is on a specific schedule. So it's the one weekend I get to do that's kind of not the marshalling thing. And I always grumble. It's not my favorite event. But it's always a lot of fun. And it's kind of neat to see a bunch of folks. You only see a couple times a year. And that's kind of neat, Gary Batchley. Former starter at Coda comes in for just one or two events a year. And that's one of them. So it's always good to catch up with folks you don't see all the time. And the meetings and the safety team, safety building, medical building are always kind of different. And you know, it's actually a really interesting world. I love listening to the NASCAR radio dispatchers. They call that world where you the clean ups and the chase trucks. They call that world restoration. And you know, it was kind of hard to get used to. But it's really fascinating to listen to the race controllers in race control on the NASCAR radio directing all the units out because there's a really wild sequence to it all. You know, that you know, at the stage intervals, you know, when they go that green checker flag, which I've never gotten used to. But they throw the stage out there, you know, and then there's this parade of jet dryers and street sweepers and all these other things that go and happen. And it's amazing how they can do things on a track that are not really that familiar with. But it just runs what always looks like clockwork. And it's really kind of an eye-opening experience to see it from that standpoint. I'm one of the lucky few that gets to do it. Yes, that is true. I was not there this week, this year. But I've worked the last couple of times, the years before that and you know, in race control, doing various things. And I remember the first year that I was in the room for that one. It was just on Hamilton Hamilton. I was just blown away like how what a like just you know, he's on and they all have their name, you know, Buffalo, New Hampshire, like just the way he was doing it all. And it looks like a symphony like a ballet out there. Like they're all like in this sequence in this synchronized fashion. I mean, it just completely, I'd never seen anything like it. I mean, it truly looks like it is choreographed like as if it was like some sort of dance number. I mean, that's how like nailed down it is. And it's so impressive to see. And they get it so fast. Yes. And so yeah, kudos to that. We love to, we need to talk to some people from it from it. It would be an interesting world because seeing it from that inside is really cool. I wish there was a way to, I mean, there's zero chance it could ever happen. But I wish people could hear how the radio worked because it is as you said, it sounds even if it may not actually be really choreographed, you know, because there's so many moving pieces that have to work in a certain order and certain ways. And you know, they're giving instructions and it's fascinating to listen to. So that's my favorite part of the NASCAR weekend. Yeah. And it's cool that you get an opportunity to do something you normally wouldn't get to do. I think that's the nice thing about some of these events, you know, the NASCAR. It's, you know, maybe they bring in their own people for a lot of the things that we're normally used to doing. That's great. That's fine. It's nice. You know, SMI and it's a lot of us be involved in all that kind of stuff. So it's cool that there are other opportunities available for things that we don't normally get to. No, I know that other marshals have, you know, signed up for stuff like that and they've enjoyed it because it's like, I will probably never get this chance again during the year. So yeah, you can go run out and pick up debris. That's probably not. You probably don't need extensive training. No, but no, but I picked up a whole bunch of pieces of one of the LMP two cars from the IMSA support group that piled into turn four. So a bunch of carbon fiber that I ended up giving away to the fans in the crowd because it was a mess. But anyway, yeah, and the other thing we did was something you were much more heavily involved in, but we were both involved in the Arlington GP at an inaugural event as we record this ran last weekend. And I got to say for an inaugural event, that was really, really well done and you were a big piece of it. Oh, well, it was the team involved was extraordinary. Mike Van Damen, Gabby Kauselina, we've mentioned them. Of course, we have the the other flag chiefs, you know, Jake Davis and the second chiefs and the support paddegchiefs Nage and Tony, the alums of the show. And I hope I'm not forgetting anyone else. Kevin Taylor made an amazing app, like a mobile app. It was like a browser based thing that was so cool. And anyway, it was the whole thing went really well. It was an inaugural event, which are always like everyone's always on pins and needles of all my life. And Friday was to be fair, a little rough, but you would expect that. We all expected that, but we expected it to be all three days. And it was really only Friday, Saturday and Sunday, we're like clockwork and you're right. It was like an event that had been run for years. It was really well. And even that, yeah, I think it was just a couple little transportation-y things and whatever. It was sorted immediately. And it was kind of out of our hands anyway. But yeah, everything just went off without a hitch. We got some really nice comments from the brass, which was always good. And we've gotten the verbal. We'll see you next year, kind of a thing, which is always good. And we got we had a NSECA sanction for this. So anybody that was involved was able to get some VIP days, which was awesome. And we were getting some really nice feedback. Oh, that's cool. I'll be honest, I'm not an IndyCar regular, but I believe I think you sack is typically more commonly known to kind of run these. And so when we were kind of, I was I think maybe a little different for people, but we got some real nice feedback about that. So I was involved with the volunteer coordination and just kind of mostly that. And I've sent out a survey. It'll probably be closed by the time this airs, but for everyone that was involved, we've gotten quite a few respondents back. And it's been overwhelmingly positive. The feedback, which is awesome. Of course, we had some stuff that we need to work on as we expect. Every event does, no matter how long it's been. And we will take it all to heart. And I think a lot of the feedback we've gotten, I think is very doable to fix for next year or to work on. So yeah, I think I think Arlington Grompre, I think next, sorry, it is the Grompre of Arlington. And it was hosted by Java House. It was the flagship sponsor this year. But I think in 2027, I think it's going to be even better. So we've definitely put that one on your calendar because it was, I'm thinking that it's going to be a lot of the same folks running the show next year. I certainly hope. And we had a lot of good feedback. And yeah, I think it went well. We did have an interesting thing. So I was in race control during the event. And we did have some interesting radio. Things happen. So I have to shout out to, so I was, my role was going to be talking to the amazing Marshall support team, by the way, shout out to them. This is like all hospitality, also kind of known as they do the water, the waters and the lunches. Yeah, extraordinary team. Like just, I mean, they did it all like in like nine minutes at one point. A lunch delivery in less than 10 minutes. I mean, to all corners, all marshals on all corners got lunch in less than 10 minutes. Why? Because they had to. Yeah. And they did. Yes. Very tight schedule and just absolutely nailed it. So the plan for the weekend was I was going to be dispatching that team and then dispatching or being the communicator for the support paddock marshals. So Friday morning, the radios, let's just say all the other technology in the room, the radios that we were given were just they were not, they did not attend as somebody said in our survey. The radio is not attend. So it was quite an interesting weekend that we pulled it off. I was I was a race control communicator via WhatsApp. Wow. That is crazy. So it could host to the Marshall support team and the support paddock team. They had people designated to be watching, watching their phone for messages from me of like five minutes, three minute, you know, all of it. Everything was what the radios didn't even turn them on. You know, because they just, you know, weren't so. But that's okay. We made it work because we have so many amazing people that have done this before and kind of know what to expect. They don't need to be handheld with all this. And of course, yes, I was there to give them all the information when it was happening. The WhatsApp. Wow. It was yeah. It was quite unique. And I guess this is not any kind of, you know, this was one of those things. It's just one of those things you got to roll with it. Yeah. I mean, we got to make it work. And we're going to make it work. And it was nobody's fault. You know, it was just it was an interesting experience. But we made it work. Everyone rose to the occasion. It was awesome. I really enjoyed it. I even heard from some people. I won't name any names that just said, oh, this is a one and done. I'll just we'll just be here kind of for the beginning, you know, to get it off the ground. And they've already said, I can't imagine not coming back for this. So it's really cool to hear that it seemed like the way I would sum it up is that, you know, even it was a first year, you know, maybe we wouldn't have we didn't get to provide as much as we would have wanted to budget wise to the marshals. But I really hope that they know, yeah, I think we were able to make them feel appreciated in non tangible ways. And I think that came across. I really certainly hope that people saw that because they really really did appreciate everybody showing up. All I'm sure people were totally sick of my emails. Probably and all the waivers they had to sign in this and that. But it went so well and just thank you to everybody involved. Everybody, all the marshals that came, all the all the circuit marshals, the support paddock and the hospitality team. I mean, everybody just totally rose to the occasion. So I had a great time. How about you? What was your week up? Well, it was it was great. I was the corner captain of turn 13. I had a great team with me at Francisco Fabregat as my communicator at the Rob Looper in Bradley McCoy. I had a great team. It was a lot of fun. And it was my first I realized in the on the way up there when I was driving up there. I realized it was my first pro corner captain assignment. I had worked several pro races. In fact, my first pro race was the Indy car races. The Indy car race that they had in Houston back at energy stadium back in what was that 2014 2015. Jim Criter, the legendary Jim Criter, the late legendary Jim Criter was my corner captain that weekend. And that was my first pro race. Well, circling all the way around Arlington was my first pro race as a corner captain. So, you know, I've been a corner captain before, but never had a pro race. So that was kind of cool. I thought I had a great team. The weather was great. The it was interesting. You know, we were at a sort of one of those. I won't say uninteresting corners because we're turn 13 is on the back straight as they're getting ready to come in. If you watched it on television, they come out of turn 12 and there's kind of a kink in the straight right by the baseball stadium where they go high tailing it down the straight away, short straight away, into turn 14 and then on to the front straight where the checker flag is. And, um, and, you know, you have to be ready for anything when ultimately nothing happened, which is fine. Um, but, you know, you have to stop and realize these cars, we figured out that they're probably doing about 110, 120 as they accelerate out of 12 passing us. And they're so close to the barriers that I'm standing next to that watching these cars on the other side of the the catch fence and the barriers. I can't see the bottom third of their tire. They're that close. I mean, to think that I'm, you know, I just I had to kind of pinch myself, you know, I'm next to an Indy car flying by me, you know, a triple digit speed. And I could literally if there was no catch fence there, touch it. I mean, it's not closed. It, you know, it's just kind of fun. I mean, that's that's the joy of being a marshal to me is, is you want to be check side? Fine. We got you. I mean, we can put you uncomfortably close to the cars because, I mean, there were times I pulled, I pulled photographers back because the cars were getting so close to the wall coming out of 12 that it was one of those things where if the wall moved, I didn't want a photographer to eat a bunch of concrete. And so, you know, there were a couple of times I had to whistle a few of them back and then I realized, you know what, they signed waivers, so they'll be all right. But I mean, it's that close to the action. It was it was fun. It was a great weekend to have a good time. My team did a great job. And that's all I can ask for. That's awesome. Yeah, we'll go, we'll hopefully hopefully we'll see you next year. Oh, I'll be there. Maybe the sector chief next year. Maybe I'll do whatever Mike said, whatever Mike needs. And he knows that. So I told them both Gabby and Mike who were like the work they put into this in such a short amount of time was astounding. Like we can't even get it in like we couldn't even list it all in a short amount of time on the show. What they did and what they had to, but you know, to pull this whole thing off. I mean, we were I remember you and I were in Vegas in November when he kind of came up and approached us. You said you want to see a track? Yes. And so that so think about that. That's four months. Anyway, I don't think we really got pulled in until January or whatever. Anyway, to pull all this off in just a couple months. I mean, kudos to them. I told them both. I said, I've always loved both of you guys, but like this is a whole another level. I will follow you to the ends of the earth. What you guys did. I mean, this is just they were really nailed it. And yeah, so hopefully we'll we'll I'll be back next year and do it all over again. And come join us. We had Marshalls from Detroit. We had Marshalls from California. UK. UK. Canada. Yeah. had plenty of marshals come join us. It's a warm weather event. And that was the weather was perfect. So come join us next year. It was it was a great event to be a part of. And I think it'll only get better. Yeah, hopefully it will. And yeah, it was it was great to start. Let's just this, this make it better from here. I think I think we can we can accomplish that. So yeah, no, it was a ton of fun. So yeah, thanks to everyone that came up for that. Um, well, I don't think there's anything that was last weekend at the time of this recording. I don't think we've had anything else. So maybe we just yeah, let's talk about. Yes, about HPD ease. So this is kind of cool. Jessica and I were in race control for chin motor sports back in late February. I guess it was. I think it was. Yeah. It was a great time. We had a great event. We really enjoyed watching Austin run the event. And I got a tell of funny stories. Okay, chin motor sports is their name. It's where chin track days. You see chin you hear in there. And I didn't realize that the chin was actually connected to a real person. And so at the Saturday drivers meeting somebody, I don't remember who it was might have been you Jessica pointed out, Oh, there's Dr. Chin. I was like, Oh, wait, that's a real person. And sure enough. And he was. He was a great person. He came in and we didn't even get to talk to him about his world travels. He travels all over the place. He eventually came into race control later that weekend and brought with him his photography wildlife photography calendar that he constructed out of the photos he took on safari in Africa. And I mean, just fascinating people, just really, really while they run a fabulous program. And Jessica had the bright idea to ask him to come on the podcast and talk about what they do. They're they're like coolest people. Actually, that was my first time meeting Dr. Chin. I had always knew of him. I knew of him for a long time, but he was there. And so I was like, Oh, awesome. Finally get to meet him. But we've known Austin forever. I've known Austin since day one. I it was it's funny. I've only ever worked chin either on pit lane or in the in race control. I've never I've never flagged their event once, which is kind of funny. But I remember when I first started working pit lane with them, you know, he he what like truly I learned so much from him, you know, eight years ago, whatever that was because you do everything as a pit lane marshal for that event because you got to check them all. You got to check their helmets there. That they're strapped. They're belted in. You got to check their tech sticker on their car. You got to check their wristband to make sure they're in the right run group, which they'll talk about. You got to check their passenger to make sure they have a wristband. You got to make sure no one's holding anything that's going to be like a camera. You do it all. You have to Oh, numbers on the start of the car. You know, all of that stuff. You got to check it all before you go. I've always joked. It's kind of like you're like the Disneyland like splash mountain worker of like, you know, checking everybody around a roller coaster, right? Your bar is strapped. Okay, we're going to push the button to send their real. That's you in this position. I don't mean to make it sound unglamorous, but you do it all. There's a lot of work. There's a lot. And so if you can kind of do all of that and be watching, you know, the lane and everything else, I've said it a million times. If you can do that, you could smoke pit lane on for F1 or something like that because there's so you do everything there. And so it's a really great like baptism by fire. If you're really interested in working on pit lane, getting any of the kind of experience, go work pit lane for an HPD at whatever your track is because there's going to be so much that you do. And there's going to be an HPD at every track you're you're close to. That's, you know, my take away from HPD ease is that there are really great ways for marshals to build up seat time. You know, the one thing we want from our marshals is experience flagging. Well, one great way to get it is go take a weekend. It's not a racing weekend. Find an HPD event that your nearest track. You know, Motorsports Reg almost everybody listening to this has an account on Motorsports Reg because that's how you register for all the the major events, but you can have it send you an email with everything around you and most of what it's going to send you is going to be HPD events. And it's a great way to sign up for those. Don't avoid them just because you think, oh, well, they're not racing. It's a great time to build up knowledge of cars, use of the flags watching for situations, you know, and earn a few extra bucks on the site because most of the time you're getting paid to do it. So, you know, don't discount an HPD E a lot of marshals that might be listening to this might also have aspirations to get in a car and race and what better way to do it than working HPD events as a marshall getting to know the people and then trying out HPD for yourself, you know, and Austin even kind of explains part of the part of how that's worked for a few other marshals. You can just get in there and work it too, but it's how you learn to drive fast, you know, it's understanding your car and knowing what you and the car can do together. It's not about the lap times, it's not about, you know, how many cars you passed, it's about can you get around the track quickly and safely, but still having fun. Yeah, I've kind of described it as like rock and roll fantasy camp for people. It's actually not bad. A driver, it's kind of like a way to kind of be that this is kind of what it's like if you decide to choose this career path, but even for marshals, you know, even though it's not racing, you know, first of all, he mentioned, he named checked some other customers. I mean, it's no secret at all that when Chan or other HPDs come to Coda, especially if it's close to a prevent, you better believe there's going to be if you pro drivers there, strictly there for the track time. Like, so you might never know who you might see number one. But secondly, really other than like maybe a full course condition, like a full course yellow or a start and a finish, you're going to get every other flag scenario at an event like that. You will. So yeah, absolutely. It's a great experience for flagging. Cool. Well, without further ado, let's meet our guests, Dr. Wacien Chin and Austin's self of Chin Track Days. And they're going to talk about how their program works. It's a really cool interview. And here we go. All right. So today on our show, we have some friends of ours from Chin Track Days. And we're very excited to have them on. They're going to tell us all about what an HPD is. So we'd love to introduce Austin's self and Dr. Wacien Chin to the show. So thank you both for coming. Thank you very much. Thanks for having us. Yeah, absolutely. So on the show, we'd love to talk about all things kind of racing and marshalling and working behind the scenes. We've never done that episode about an HPD. So we're really excited to have you kind of tell us about that in a little bit. But we always like to start off with each of your origin stories of how you each got into motor sports. So Dr. Chin, would you like to kick off? Sure. I guess, yeah, I think we'll give you a little quick rundown of what happened with me. I bought a sports car in 1997. It was an Acro-NSX. And we last after I owned it about three weeks that I didn't know how to drive it. And I felt that it was not doing a good job for Art & Sennah. You know, somebody who designed that car with skill level that's 20 times higher than me. So then I thought I should get some driving lessons. So I looked in the yellow pages. We had yellow pages back then. You know, we didn't have Google. So you had to look up your yellow pages for driving school. So I looked at driving school and I called them up and they said,"Well, teach you how to parallel park. Do three point turns." You know, a backup. And I'm like, "No, no, no, no. That's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for something on the racetrack." So that's not what they taught. So then I looked around at different clubs. They were available. There was Porsche Club. But I didn't have a Porsche. There was BMW Club. But I didn't have BMW. So I said, "Well, I'm between BMWs." And I didn't fly. So I ended up finding a club that was running at Sea Ring and they did like three, four vents a year and I joined that club. And got my first taste of getting on the track with an instructor in our handset to learn how to drive. And that was wonderful except they wanted business. And this was back in the days when, you know, you know, you kind of threw things together and just organized an event and kind of run with it. And so I went to the director of the track at that time. At the time, what Sea Ring was Mike Swain who sent him to Rotolina. And I asked Mike,"Is there any chance I could rent the racetrack since I knew it was empty that weekend since this other company had gone out of business?" And he looked at me and said, "You know, who will you do?" And I told my name and then he said, "What are you going to do?" I said, "Well, I'm going to put together a driving school to teach people how to drive their race cars and track cars and, and you know, I'll get instructors." And he kind of looked at me kind of with that look at me and he says, "Yeah, right. Sure." And who's your sanctioning body? And of course, I didn't have one. So, and he asked me, "What's the name of your company?" And I didn't have a name. And so I said, "It's chin motor supports. That's it. I knew that wasn't taken." So literally, that's what happened. It was August, August 8th of 1999. It was Sunday. It was Sea Ring in August, as you know, in Florida, right? It's like Sea Ring. It's like Texas in August. It's really hot. And then, "Yo, yeah, no, it's hot and the sun comes out." So, yeah. So we did a track day. I grabbed, you know, maybe 10, 12, my friends and I said, "Hey, we got a track day. Come and enjoy it for what it may not have another one." So we went out there, I think there's 20 of us and we had a great time. And I said to rules, ground rules are very straightforward. You know, don't be a jerk. You know, we're going to have instructors in the cars and it worked really well. I've already had a great time. And at the end of that, we went all day and everybody was exhausted and really hot, but they had a great time. And so, they asked, "Are we doing another one?" And I said, "Yeah, I'll do another one, but I don't want to lose $5,000 on this one." So let's get more people. So we did the second one November of 1999. And then we did four events in 2000. And as they said, the rest is history. We kind of grew from there. And the premise has always been the same. It's always been to get a group of individuals together who enjoyed this particular hobby and get instructors so that you can learn how to drive and improve your driving seal. And so we started off with that premise and it's really, it hasn't changed. In the 27 years that we've been doing this, you know, I always said that it's all about having fun time, having a good time in a safe environment. And the purpose of the HPD is to become a better driver. You know, we're not trying to trade race car drivers. I mean, that's a, you know, 1% top 1%. We're kind of the hobby golfer, right? We're not a pro DJ pro pro, but we enjoy the game because it's a lot of fun. And you learn a lot about your own driving skill. And then you surround yourself with people who enjoy the sport, who enjoy doing this. And all of a sudden you have a social club too. So not only is it a fun thing to do with other people and enjoying their cars, but you enjoy the people you meet. And I got to tell you that the people that have joined a club and it become part of our club like Austin and all the people that have become part of our team, if we have a great time together. And if you walk around our fits, I mean, you know, it's it's a camaraderie. I mean, that's all it's about. You can you can drive whatever you want, but if you're trying for yourself, it's kind of boring, right? You want to go out there and have fun with your friends and get some rides, get some rides, learn some things. Maybe you didn't take turns with you the same. And if you ride with somebody else, they did a better new. So that's it. That's essentially what it started off and it's never changed. And it just got bigger and we've grown and I've enjoyed our administrative because it's been fun. That's awesome. That's that's the key. Having fun. Before we get into all the inevitable follow questions, Austin, how about your story? All right. So I think I'd have to start way, way back. You know, I turned five years old and walked out for Christmas morning and had my very first Yamaha 50 CC dirt bike and was super motivated and motorcrossed and super cross because my dad was doing it. So I wanted to get into it and lo and behold, that didn't work out. Lots of injuries, lots of knee surgeries on my dad's part forced us to get rid of the bikes way too soon. So I went motor sports list for many, many years starting off there until I moved to Illinois. My father was living in about quarter mile away from a dirt track and I was working at a mechanic shop and came across a, you know, front wheel drive race car and the compact class. In bumping was encouraged, spins and contact were rewarded with more money than first place. You pretty much got a horse under car, chained the door shut, sprayed painting numbers on it, put a helmet on and went ran a dirt oval. So I did that for a few years. I never really got anywhere with it. So when I ended up moving back to Georgia, a long time friend of mine, Jack Beach, I'm what I've known for over 20 years at this point. Still around in Georgia, he was working with a little company named Chin Track Days and invited me out to Rot Atlanta, which was our home track. You know, we live 15 minutes from it at the time and I got in the right seat as aerial atom. And absolutely just fell in love with every second of being on the roadcours, being around the people, seeing the the sights, the smells, the race cars, you know, something I've been missing for a long time and seeing a level of it like that really changed my perspective coming from a dirt track paddock to a motor sports road track paddock. It was quite the transition for me. And you know, working on cars professionally, kind of enabled Jack to start asking for favors with his cars that he would be breaking off since he was driving on the track. And he got to a point where he's just like, "Hey, I can't keep paying you. How about you just come drive one on my cars at a chin event?""I'll give you an instructor. I'll let you drive my Miata." It sounds like you'll have a good time. Long time, Forza and Grand Tourism O'Player. So I, I knew that Rot Atlanta had 12 corners and you didn't want to mess up. It turned 12. But that was about all I knew as far as what I thought I knew. So I took his car out, had a blast. My instructor Bobby Keane taught me a whole bunch of stuff to the point of finally got the car loose that turned three into the little 180 and had the, you know, two foot in. Did a couple of events like that and Jack said, "Hey, I can't keep you can't keep coming here for free." Okay, what does that mean? Well, you got to start volunteering. Okay. So I started pushing a broom, started showing off a registration pack inspection, and a couple months go by and I noticed that there was a vacancy. You know, we we have four event managers and it was down to three. Someone was missing. That was in our home state. And I'd been working on cars professionally for 13 years, not what you'd call event manager qualified. Not someone that's used to pound in a keyboard day in and day out. You know, our job is very heavily reliant on driver communication and website coding and all of that. So when I applied, Mark Hicks, my, my old boss, he kind of chuckled and said,"Really?" I said, "Absolutely. Let's do this." Like, "Give me a chance." So it was a three-month process where I think he was looking for more qualified individuals. But he finally gave me the call, gave me a chance. And I took it four reigns and just ran with it and just fell in love with what Dr. Chin said, the the camaraderie, every car is welcome at our club. It's not like PC or BMW. You have the poor eye arteries of the Mustangs and the Corvette and the BMWs and the 911s and those are friends. They get out of the car in their high five and it doesn't matter what car you're driving. Chin track days is just about everyone coming together and having the best time you can. So the past seven years I've been doing this have really changed my life and and motor sports is an amazing place to be at and what an opportunity. So that's how I got here and that's where I'm today. That's that's very cool. So seven years you've been there. Seven years going on eight now. So I feel like you have your origin story of getting on with Chin is very similar to how a lot of us got hired on with Coda or whatever. You start as a volunteer. You're going to get yourself known and then okay we'll put in a good word for you. So that's yeah quite on par. That's awesome. And I think it's cool that you know you've mentioned that this year the Chin track days it's it's car make agnostic if you will like it's it's nice to hear that you aren't just exclusive to yeah it sounds like the Chin you're talking earlier it's like that was the there was no there was nothing like that right that one school that went out of business and it's like everybody else was like nope you have to be Porsche you have to be BMW so you were really feeling avoid in the market there. Yeah and I think it's makes it more fun to it right I mean if every single car is the same with the same mark I mean it I mean it's nice but after a while you kind of want to see you know other vehicles so we love that. Pass and be passed. Yes and it's all about the drive anyway I mean we have sometimes we'll send our part instructors like crazy guy like Victor Li out and Miata chased out in a Corvette just to just approve a point. That's fun. That's great. So we kind of over done an overarching idea what from a educational standpoint you know without getting two into the weeds what does the HPDE concept look like to a driver who was just starting out at the very beginning. Well I think most of us that enjoy cars want to drive them in spirited way that we want to go out there and enjoy the acceleration the cornering and that's great but I think one of the things that you will learn quickly is that you don't want to do it in an unsafe manner you want to go out there and explore the car but if you go out on a road and do that you know one mistake and you're going to hit somebody hurt yourself hurt somebody else and you're learning you're not going to learn that much because what will happen is the one time that you overdo something you're you're going to pay big price for it and it's not safe so if you want to learn a little bit more about how you're going handles you really have to take it someplace where you know the setup is such that you can do that and you can start without a cross you can go from there to to doing a track day but it's all about car control so I think what we try to do is you know get somebody from the yeah I just bought a sports car I'd like to drive quickly well everybody can drive straight fast and straight line that's not hard but then to get the car to go around a corner quickly you know it's much trickier right so I love him people sit in my car and they go well that car corners like it's on rails and I said it's because you know driving it fast enough right yeah it's a great point and I'm sure Austin has some thoughts on this too he's seen drivers that start from you know literally never driven on a track and he can tell you how how people start from that and end up you know driving and competitive racing yeah absolutely you know I I Steven Clemens MCDriver and GT4 spec I was the very first person to every yellow and at a track as very first track day I was with that day and he every time he goes on the track I see him I'm like yep that's the first person to yellow and for a black flag and you know it's that kind of level of how far do these people want to take it you know a lot of people don't think that the E in HP and E stands for education a lot of people think it's a vent I know it's education we're teaching you how to drive your car better more efficiently more consistently which keeps you safe not only on the track but on the street as well we always say you know the idiots are out of the streets you learn how to drive your car better keep it safe doctor chin mentioned that it's very easy to go fast in a straight line you know anyone can go fast in a straight line unless you drive a Mustang well I said I just can't tell you guys can relate from our last event not in the comments farther than that so what goes into planning an event like I know you guys have many you have events it seems like every weekend whenever we run into you you have all tracks all over the country tell us kind of like the life cycle starts finish of like planning an event at a track man yeah there's a lot that I didn't even understand or go into something like this kind of job from to the point of where we're responsible of coding the website for the event to launch on registration nights you know our last code event when April opened up it took about 12 minutes to sell out on top of that I'm taking in all these drivers and registering or classifying them as they come in so it gets to this point where we're constantly doing every single bit of how far you want to go back into planning the event you know we're in contact with code attract management to get load-in time for the drivers what the rogers are available how much MotoGP stuff is left over in the paddock you know because we got to be able to communicate to this all to all the drivers the best we possibly can so everyone understands how to just get into the track to begin with you know you mentioned the day one novice is showing up and not knowing what where or why we try to do as much as we can within the emails with constant contact between code or we have whichever track we're working with preference to y'all being at code that's why you mentioned it it's also my next event coming up so that's right so yeah I mean down to that to the point of getting in early setting up the registration boost the tech inspection printing all the paperwork you know a lot of the Texas events we go to we fly into so we have to have strong support out in other states that we can rely on we do carry our trailer around with those two a bunch of tracks and when we have our trailer that's kind of our home away from home where we know we have everything we'll need but for the certain flyaway events there's a lot of bringing all the wristbands bringing the text stickers bringing all that stuff and then you get there and you got to set it all up take the drivers in deal with the punches as they come you know last time we're at Coda Saturday morning pouring rain well we're not doing the drivers meeting on pit road today well all the everyone has a great plan until they get punched in the face so that's half of the battle and I always say I wing it like I mean it you know I know what I'm doing but half the time I'm just going with what I got so yeah that's really cool one of the things that that strikes me about it is that an event at a major road course is probably for many of your customers and drivers the first time they've ever been on a major track of of any kind and that's probably their first encounter with marshals too so you know from a from a marshalling standpoint you know this is a really interesting way to teach them about marshals and what marshals do and how does that work are a lot of them surprised actually see people sitting in those stands on the corners on a crummy weekend morning oh yeah they have to be surprised by those yellow flags sticking out real quick want to shout out to y'all thanks for having us on here and shout out to the corner marshals we all know what you go through without y'all we don't go on track I put myself in your shoe so the F1 race couple years back and saw yeah that's that's a whole lot commitment and that is also part of the planning you know the BFW area they don't have fired marshals so we're actually in contact with like Amber Stice you may know her she's our corner marshal wrangler like I have to contact her months in advance we have to get people lined up we have to pay them it's not like code where you have fired employees that show up for work on that day so huge shout out to the marshals and what y'all do thanks for mentioning that and actually I think that's one thing we have to stress our drivers too I don't think you know most people have never driven on track they don't understand the importance of those those flag stations and in fact that is one of the things that we require to move people up in groups into different run groups is that you because you have to know all the flags and where all the flag stations are and we make no bones about it so yeah I mean we actually own the domain chin flag test dot com that's literally anything we want to take our flag test it's legitimate hpd eflag definitions multi choice it's not reported it's just uh do it as you please we make you pass that before you get up moved up wow that's cool we drilled into their heads you've got a mark on track map where all the code of marshals are that showed up for work today and it's challenging um the code of marshals ahead some tracks is a lot easier than others like eagles can and you can target them through the field yeah that's the one thing I've always told marshals that you know when you spend the day on a track or you know even one session on a track it's amazing how small those flags are and you never see them on video because they're just way too um way too small in the video you can't see a flag I mean it's hard enough to see them live forget it forget it on video you know and I'm always telling marshals you gotta be big you gotta be big just because of that and so yeah it's a it's a good marshal training program too to have a bunch hpd cars on track yeah multi class hpd run groups it uh it also helps with the blue flags how to pick our cars catching one another so yeah maybe we talk about the run groups briefly just for for people that are not really familiar with how hpd's work so you know you have the different this is ultimately an education you know yes it's track time and everyone's having fun of course we've established that but yes there are a lot of times there's instruction available especially I think it's required for if you're a novice group or whatever but you may be kind of talked about the different groups you have and kind of what they need to demonstrate you know to to move up or I think Austin Bobi just best described that but I think the over overbreaching view for us is it's it's not necessarily the run group that you're in that we're concerned about is is that you kind of progress that you get better and whether it's within one group or you can move me into another run group and we take it pretty seriously like you may be in one group at one track but a different one at a different track because of the level of experience but I think Austin knows that so I'll let him discuss that yeah so we have a standard 300 format that we utilized you know a lot of different clubs have multiple run groups four five of them shorten their schedule or their sessions up we maximize the schedule and utilize longer sessions which gives drivers the ability to come and go off a track instead of just rushing on to the track getting 15 minutes or even 10 minutes once they're actually warmed up and actually being able to utilize the track that they're given so we have the green run group which is a combined run group our novices which is a zero to what we say a five-day driver you know usually takes about four to five days to become solo-qualified who wants you to see the things that you aren't going to expect before we just you know kick the bird out of the nest that's the green rear spandas novice within instructor and the yellow run group is also shared within the green run group and sell solo yellow driver would be a you know five to ten kind of day driver someone that has some experience maybe they have gotten solo-qualified with us maybe we've given them a check ride or maybe they're solo-qualified at road Atlanta but this is their first time coming out to Texas to visit Cotto we're not gonna they may not need an instructor we may give them a session or two with one of our chiefs just to get them up to speed but they don't need a dedicated instructor to teach them how to drive they just have to run the track so we give a slower pace run group to learn that in and of course we allow run group move-ups throughout the entirety of our events check rides are also available then we move up from there to our intermediate solo drivers this definitely requires some sort of check ride or a racing license of some sort passing now opens up onto the entirety of the lab so I didn't mention that in the about the green run group the green run group we restrict passing zones passing is allowed but it's only on the straight ways which takes a lot of strain out of guessing when a car is clearing you into the braking zone how to go side by side with another car decreasing your radius to that corner as well and navigating it safely and efficiently now in blue group we do expect you to be able to do that kind of maneuver we do expect you to be able to pass into the braking zones these are usually 10 to 15 day drivers that we start seeing in our blue group and anywhere from 15 to 40 days is kind of the grounds where we see our blue group drivers sit at blue group is also a great spot for you know experience drivers to start off even in race fully prep race cars at a new track to them you know we have a lot of people of positive domination going from my sea bring to you know walkins blend or coda wherever it is and they're definitely like solid red group at sea bring what is their first time to walk in splen they're going to need a session or two before they're able to navigate even in their GT3 cup cars they're going to be able to hang out with a bunch of really qualified drivers even in our blue group and then like I just mentioned moving up to the red group are advanced solar drivers this is where we see pros come to test with us you know we've had NASCAR professionals like Joey Lugano, MSA drivers across the board you know we see all the GRE6 car cut cars the MX-5 Cup those teams just love us we love VSI racing and all of them really appreciate the support and of course the free tires that they trade us out for never hurts quick shout out right so that yeah that's where we see and you know also like our hobbyist drivers you know we have a awesome group the wolf pack that follows us around and this is a bunch of hobbyist guys that understand how important is to be in a fully prepared race car for safety purposes now they're doing it full time they don't race these cars they're literally just running the GT3 cups at an HPDE because they feel safe in them because they're pushing the cars in 9/10 and they realize you know they've crashed their street cars they learn their lessons I mean it's part of the the learning process but it's not just pro drivers that are in our regular groups you know all sorts of drivers and we require point by signals and all of our run groups even our advanced drivers have to give point by signals it's just part of the etiquette respect courtesy you just sometimes like those LMP drivers that come and join us they're significantly outpacing the hobbyist drivers and they'll be unsafe for them just to dive bomb in when our drivers are expecting that kind of stuff so we require them to follow the the peripheral and and we follow up with those drivers don't follow through a call nice very cool how do you guys get your instructors how does one become an instructor which in okay um yeah you know it's not just about how many days you're you're at a track it's not oh I got a hundred days on the track no we we want to see some sort of instructor certification whatever program you want to utilize chin track days has been with the Motorsport Safety Foundation for many years Jim Pomoros on the board with them now Jack Beechham's on the board with them so we very strongly recommend Motorsport Safety Foundation you can look him up online it's a nonprofit you take the test for level one and you get a little certificate in your email doesn't exactly certify you to become in a right seat instructor but it does allow you or see or we see that you are now interested in actually putting some some effort for if you put the the classroom time down to get yourself interested and now we're going to start looking at the Motorsport Safety Level 2 Foundation which is where we do an on track and this is what most clubs will do it's an on track live role play style session where we're going to put a mentor in the driver's seat of your car and you're going to be in the right seat coaching them and we're going to actually put you through six different personalities along with a bunch of classrooms and we're going to teach you uh things that we've learned along the way it's not a hazing ritual it's like uh hey I got this awesome wrench in my toolbox I want to show you this tool that I have to fix this problem that you can't figure out so we'll do a lot of timeouts on the uh on the role play sessions and I let them tell them like hey this is how you do this time in and then just repeat that process until they start picking up on it uh once you pass that course when you're level two certified instructor then we now allow you to coach your novices but we also have a very standard protocol across the board we don't let you coach at a track you haven't been to yet so if you're coming to barber or rhodoland for your first time we want you to just show up as a solo driver so you can learn the lap figure it out there's a lot of technical difficulties that you really can't pick up on a simulator alone so you got to show up drive a couple laps you know two days or so and then from there we've let you instruct at that uh at that particular facility uh being that we travel all the way from Miami to Austin and Missouri all the way across to New York it's very broad span we see a lot of people follow us around so maybe uh it may be a little strict on the policy but when you break it down it's really for the best of the novice as well that's really cool so you've mentioned a number of tracks you've mentioned um rhodoland and a couple of others give us a sense of what's left in 2026 for example uh where are you gonna be it doesn't have to be you know every single day every single date but just kind of what kind of tracks uh are you gonna have and of course we'll link to your website and show notes so people can see for themselves. Awesome uh i mean if you look at our website right now we have 16 different events open for registration alone that's more than most people have in their schedule um but that's just the ones that are open for registration i'm gonna be going across uh to a bunch of different awesome places um 114 days on track will be average for the entirety of chin track days i won't be at all of those um but you know chin's going to Nelson ledges for the first time this year uh we're going back to road america again this year uh we partnered with a grouping canada that we're gonna be going to circuit mantra blant and i actually have the ultimate privilege uh dr chin has set up the coolest program ever for his employees and i am being flown to shaperone ten of our drivers at two days at spa and a day at nerve-r-a-rang no way i'm being provided with a track prep hundae i 30 and rsr additions i'm gonna be in a track prep the little hundae turbo hatchback slaying it around the track with a bunch of our drivers and uh top shelf dining and uh three road trips and two tough job as somebody's got to do it you know yeah you know you got to that short straws sometimes you know boy the demands are getting tougher and tougher dr chin these these guys uh you i don't know man they're they're they're they're uh they're being spoiled i think no i think so we're on i think that you know i think the i think we're lucky to have a team that we have um the individuals that are part of our team are all people that have been hand selected um and uh it it's a special it really requires uh you know running events not the same as driving a event i mean they're completely uh no the amount of organization that has to go in behind all of the stuff i don't think people have have any idea when they show up what has gone behind the scenes the past months weeks for that to happen so um you know we pride ourselves in making sure we run while organized events that are fun and the only way that happens is is the work of our team so i'm i'm very proud of them and uh you know without them the numbers that happens so um you know i i think we can send them to enjoy a trip Europe then off that's awesome very well said that's very cool are you going to your doctor chin this year i probably can't i've got a conflicting event that i have to attend uh but uh i'm hoping maybe in uh in twenty seven i could take my son because he can drive at that point so that that might be a nice little uh feather when he gets a little further along so uh i'm gonna have to sign off unfortunately so i just wanted to say uh quick thank you for for having us and uh i'm sure they're asking for you in on all the rest of the stuff that's going on and uh we just love coming out there so uh you're gonna have a fun time in in in april and i'm sure i'll see you guys again shortly thank you doctor chin all right i'll catch you guys later all right enjoy all right doctor chin was at the golf course uh for everybody very nice to uh oh it's kind of driving yeah different kind of driving yeah yeah but uh well when is your trip Austin uh so i go to europe uh i'll get us first through the eighth i'm actually flying in a day or early just like and get some leisure time and sure then uh yeah we'll uh we'll kick it off and we pretty much uh pick up the cars from rsr and nerberg and then drive them to spa and we'll do two days at spa private then come back uh take a full day to drive back to the nerver grain spend the night private day at nerver grain we get ten laps and then next day we fly out wow oh that's awesome and uh funny uh one of my not that i'm neighbor but i guess he's my my city neighbor you know i live in a small mountain town up here in north d'orgia uh i think it'll be the the first time two people from the city of the koa will be in germany and belgian at the same time so i got i got a good group of guys going with me and a couple of them and their wife so long so we'll get a bunch of good laughs and good story to be ahead i'm truthfully first time i'm going out of the country so uh what a privilege just yeah driving driving some of the world's great tracks uh yeah absolutely been doing that for since grand tourism or two back on play things you could get an i will first give my first video game system going uh always knew something special about nerver grain always study that and continued to and really never thought i'd make it there and just what a what a full surgical how motor sports can bring in the and the things you dreams you had never thought you'd get to right that's so true so tell us about the photo behind you i know everyone can't see it but you mentioned it earlier all right you have a story let's go get a roll back here all right so there it is all right so i don't know how well you can see that mm-hmm but that is the s's of rural Atlanta in the rain and there is a Lamborghini Super Truffet at one end of the s's and there is a 2004 white Tacoma on 35 inch BFG tires right behind it the other eight pack all right so i'm going to shoot back to Frank's like tell this story so it's red group after lunch and uh no one had been going out on track tarantial down for all morning uh bad event bad events start so i'm like you know what's fine i'm gonna go out i don't have rain tires on my car or my my track parts slip only so i'm when i empty the truck out toss all the stuff out of the interior the truck take it out no one's gonna come out on track i'm just gonna do a few laps see how bad it really is like put my helmet on going on a red group session come down onto the pit road as i turn left the Lamborghini Super Truffet teams are finishing up balting on a brand new set of sticker Michelin rains and just you hear there they're the nitrogen and i'm just like they're gonna catch me by turn three so literally that's the out lap um and i give them a point by entering the s's then they must have just wondered what was going on so that was uh it's a 48 by 60 canvas print i just had to get as big as possible because no one's gonna believe it my god that's photoshop and go to the left that that happened so next weekend after that was the tealamau and Lamborghini Super Truffets are coming out for qualifying and practice and all that i parked my truck right at the apex it turns six and i know that guy saw my truck and was like that's a little bit uh that's awesome so what was your lap time in its acoma oh i know more than two minutes i can guarantee it was well over two minutes uh and if you know where to land it's only two and a half miles so that's uh that's that's pretty slow lap time but it's draining you know and my tires were old and weren't up to temperature you know all the extra spin the excuse wheel but i bet over the years you have really seen some cool stories and met some really cool people that uh make the ride really fun yeah there's been some awesome people that i've never thought i've gone to meet you know i got a wall of sign hats over my left over there you know john legano jim farley kyle bush kippa man surgeo paras um all these people uh i've gone to ride in a australian v8 supercar simp and the left seat the driver was in the right seat right austin cindrick wow that walk and plan in a uncorked uh v8 australian supercar was sequential transmission some of the experiences i've gotten to go through um and so many my drivers are so kind about their their cars and just oh austin you need to drive my three hundred thousand dollar Ferrari 4 day challenge car i've wind on like well i i know i can't sell my house in a forger car sir now i did i do it yeah i did yep yeah that and that's the thing i love about the hpd experience i've never been in one i've never done it i've never actually done a hot lap um i've been in one car in one hot lap but i've watched and heard about the stories about car about drivers doing that here take my car go you know the the level of trust and honestly intimacy i mean to be able to share your car with somebody and say go do this it is mind blowing to me and i i think it's a real testament to the kinds of programming you're building yeah absolutely uh dr chin hit it earlier about the camaraderie and the patrick it's impressive well you guys and you make it really special for everyone i mean we've been to so many of your drivers meetings over the years i mean you make it fun you make engaging it it truly is a family you can you can tell it's not just we're here for your check to be you know cash it's it's about building that community and and really enforcing you know it's not fun for other people if you're driving like a jerk out there you know and it you guys do a really good job of i think promoting that and i i have seen you throw people out i don't i don't know if we can say that but you know if you're not following the rules you know you know that's not how it works here and it's not like if we're being a click or whatever it's it needs to be fun for everyone you can't just want to say yeah you know you're not there is dangerous and you're right i hate to the worst part of my job is reprimanding drivers um and you know the ultimate discipline really does finally come down to uh me avoiding negligence across the board because i'm held responsible as the event coordinator where if a driver is being negligent ignoring what i'm telling them i have to take action from my safety my company's safety and the other drivers around them uh i i care a lot about the people that are at my events um i don't lie that my driver's meetings everything i say is from a heart and truthfully well we we try to keep the good people in and build a culture of respect and love and and and trust you know we're driving some really expensive cars a couple inches away from one another at nine tenths of their limit that takes a lot of trust for an individual to do with another person so i have to set forth that it's serious uh but what's have some fun while we're doing it like that's the main point let's have some fun and go fast i want to hear you go fast i want to see you go fast i want to hear you talk about your new fastest lap time i don't want to have to can talk to you about cutting off a driver passing out a point by that's not where i'm like oh boy i get to go do best part of my day no you're ruining my day i've lost all my hair the last seven years from the drivers making me pull them out one at a time that's dr. chinman and there's none left up there see y'all drivers just keep driving but no you guys do a really good job of having that home i feel like you know i've i worked on pit lane a million times at your events you you taught me everything i knew in the beginning of back in the day but you know you know working the black flag position right you know we have to bring in a driver for something you know you they figured out you know we're not having to continually black flag people for the same thing generally you know they they you guys really hammer that home that's like okay we don't want to have to be pulling you in for this again so it's very evident in your events so you guys do a good job of keeping keeping that in people's minds right you gotta keep radio communication with y'all because what you're saying is important we want to hear about it but hopefully the radio stays silent yeah definitely well Austin tell us uh tell us about how a martial or anybody else maybe one of their friends who's listening to this gets involved in chin truck days oh man um i'd love to get every single person out to the track uh you know i met someone really cool uh i met two really cool actual marshals of now i've started working with side-by-side out in texas um you know Ryan McMillan uh started off as a corner martial just waving a flag and stop by a post checker one afternoon to pick up his check for the day and i wrote it and he saw me sitting there with the beer because it was a pretty stressful day and who asked if i had another one turn up we had another one so uh we started drinking together and i got to talk and he started volunteering here in for us and we started exchanging work for track time and we got to see him come out then just in home free um texas as well you know he started doing the same thing and then he brought his uh corvette out to kota with us for the night session and was just he was at super loud port event y'all kept hearing about the frustrations just destroying there and that's a martial doing that like the fact that we see these corner marshals coming out and kicking ass is cool for me uh i want to see uh marshals get on on track like jimmy you mentioned you've only been out on one hot lap like it's a total different experience uh i really feel like both sides need to swap every once in a while you know the drivers need to see it from the y'all's perspective and you all need to see it from our perspective because there's a lot of times you know someone's got a black tarpa in there in their hut and it looks like a damn black flag and you just don't see it unless you're a driver perspective um great sorry chintrack day is just welcome to everyone uh you know we don't like you mentioned about the cars we don't care what kind of car you drive uh we all drive meadows on track uh as our track car uh we don't care what kind of car you drive what kind of skill level you have we can make you a better driver uh we have pro coaching available um we visit the best venues in the whole eastern side of the united states of america uh you know we go to all the imps attracts you want to go to why wouldn't you want to come check out walkins blend and just enjoy the history at sanica lodge where all the pro f one drivers have uh gone to celebrate back in those hey days and you know seabring international raceway the birthplace of american racing uh you know we got a bunch of staff members down at the seabring 12 hour right now enjoying motor sports that you're there down at the seabring 12 hour go say hey um we live in breed motor sports i took a vacation to come martial kota we're true enthusiasts and we really just love to have you here it's fucking like a true salesman austin i mean i know my boss is going to be watching so uh make sure you go well we appreciate your time austin self and uh washington both from chin motor sports you guys are are running a great program and uh it's fun to talk to you about what it is how it came to be and how it helps build the motor sports world absolutely and then real quick before we sign off i do want to mention about the instructor train i talk about her that we're talking about getting a corner marshalling uh certification program going on so uh stay tuned for more once we get some details down with uh everyone i'll probably do another episode here and hopefully we can get all that squared away for y'all yeah that sounds like a really great great great idea so uh we'll pick that win for a future episode awesome great thank you austin appreciate your time awesome thanks y'all have a great night you bet thanks austin yeah well that was dr. washington chin and uh austin self of chin motor sports they put on the chin track days it's an hpde series traveling the country going to great uh tracks all over the place but you can be a part of it and your friends can be a part of it and you can take your daily driver in there if you're so brave but uh yeah it's a it's a neat program it's you know we we've talked a lot on the podcast Jessica about learning how to marshal a lot of times there's the whole thought process that needs to go into how to be a driver and in getting started learning how to drive and you know that's that's how you do it yeah and what a cool story of how this came to be i mean it was really just dr. shin wanted to driving school he and he found one and then it went out of the business and so i was like oh well i guess i'll start my own i kind of how it that's the nut shell version is you heard but you know it's very cool like it is very cool i mean i'm gonna rinse he bring an event a bird and invite a bunch of my friends yeah okay what's better than that i mean yeah and they really do they do a really good job of making it like you know we have a lot of other we've worked with other hpds you and i both at various places and chin has always been very special i mean there's no denying that they put you know that camaraderie as they both set a few times like yeah paramount to anything it was well the safety of course but you know like it's not just about here come be a customer right we'll take the money it's now we want you to come be part of this family and come back again and again because i want you here and you're you belong and this yeah they do a really good job with that and their events allowed in minutes as he mentioned so you know it's really kind of a cool to to have that and you know it's working when you do that and to be clear they are not the only players in the space there are other other hpd programs around the country so it's not like they're an exclusive but you know they they're a great representative of a big national hpd program yeah definitely yeah they do a really good job and and we always enjoy seeing them so yeah definitely and you can even drive it to coma if you want we are a winner if they'll let me drive my f-150 light oh i would love to see what it would do on the backs on the back street i i got i got to admit you just got to let the safety team know we have an electric vehicle on tracks that they know to be ready oh they'd be like oh it's him oh it's that blue one yeah oh man yeah that was a great interview and so we always enjoy seeing them but what what's next James and we have them in up Moto gp that's all Moto gp for those of you new to the podcast you might want to if you're into moto in Moto gp we don't have anything special on it this year in terms of guests but last year we had Dave Hawley who was the flag chief for moto on it was our first actual interview podcast so it kind of opened up this whole window where we invite folks onto the podcast Dave Hawley talked about the process and you know the the differences between flag ink cars and bikes and he'll be the flag chief again this year but Moto gp's rolling into town that'll be my next event it may or may not have already happened by the time you listen to this probably you know depending on both my production time and you know the inevitable episodes been available for a few days it's probably in the past but that's fine that's our next big event and I'm continually reminded of how many moving pieces we have in the Moto gp puzzle because I will be today just as I as we record this I finished my fourth day at kota training the teams that I'll be working with as the medical dispatcher my job is the the medical dispatcher I dispatch I sit in race control alongside the CMO of the track dr john sabra who is actually somebody we ought to bring on the program to talk about track safety because he's got a real interesting insight into the history of track safety but I'm sitting next to him and he's sitting next to the medical operating steward basically of Moto gp uh john carlo and next to him is our deputy CMO with their five medical people sitting in race control and we take all the calls from the marshals when there's a writer down and we have to evaluate the response based on the medic on the scene giving us a code and there's a lot of training that goes involved with that because most of our medics are if they're not new they've probably you know they may be doing their first bike events so things are very different and you know the the whole response to a bike event is different than cars because we get to run out in front of the catch fence you know and and I don't we is is not universal of course I'm not doing any running but um you know the medics and the the bike marshals go out and wrangle the bike that's fallen or pick up any debris from the bike and the medical teams will be responding to the to the writer that's down and you know there's there's a lot of movement today I was working with the ambulance drivers because they have to know from their position what are the various scenarios about where they might have to be going and you know then there's construction at coda that throws all kinds of rinches into the mix and so you know it's a it's an interesting set of circumstances you have to be able to manage and that's just a medical side you know you've got to do all the track prep you know they have to modify the barriers so that marshals can stand behind them but still get out from the barriers and and respond to incidents you know the track work just a prep for a moto takes weeks you know to say nothing of the painting and the signage and all that stuff that happens at every pro event you know just it's just crazy to me to to watch one of these big events come together at coda and this is the only bike event in North America you know they don't have one of these like they have f1's they don't have five f1's and five MotoGPs in North America like they have five you know f1's and so it's just kind of fun it's always a fun to be a part of I am not a bike person I the they are not my people I am not a biker but you've got to respect somebody who will sit on a bike and throw it down the back straight at 230 miles an hour the actually the bikes actually exceed f1 car speeds you know and and watching those guys do that and just literally throw it out there with nothing between them and the track and the other bikes it it's just remarkable the the way those bikes accelerate and watching those guys wrestle them around that track you've got to respect that whether you're a biker or not oh yeah and the strength training they have to do to be able to just the the G's that they want you know to have to do the leaning and stuff like that I mean it's insane and how like inches away from the ground they get when they're half taken away I mean it's insane and then when they crash they crash in a big way and you know that's where being my team jump in and you know it is an intense and stressful weekend but it's hugely rewarding and you know as long as every rider gets to get on their jet and flight of the next race then I'll be happy you know that's it's a it's a lot of fun to be a part of it's intense there's there's a lot of work a lot of stress but I'm always at the end very glad I took part yeah no it's it's very unique I think compared to everything else we generally do like you were saying all the stuff that goes in the one thing that always you know I always have to remind myself is that marshals are allowed to go out on track and touring a hot track at a bike event and not only are they allowed to they are expected to yeah and it's funny you can always tell like we've we've made no secret in the past on the show that that MotoGP is the gateway drug for like so many of us this was our first event it was funny you same so many people we know and because they do they need a lot of marshals and so it's always kind of funny I remember I'll never I think this had have had this happen a couple times where I was working in race control at another event and it was very apparent that whoever I was talking with was only had only ever done MotoGP because they'd ask oh do you want me to go out there and like the track will be hot it's like oh no no oh you know it's the one that's oh hun moments like no no so you stay behind the barrier we got to actually that exactly so yeah it's kind of funny but but you know yeah like you were mentioning you know you got to the the cutouts are kind of different you know you might have people coming out of holes in the in the you know that we don't normally use and of course you got to set up the air fence I don't know if the people are not familiar with what that is it's literally like a giant inflatable like it's like a like a backseat asshole big you put against a barrier yes it's like a big long one of those and you know and it's exactly what it is it's someone hit it's just it's gonna cushion them but you know the suits too that they wear the technology with that is not so extraordinary you know or something something I found out this year that I did not know before and this may not be a new thing but it may be again like I said I'm not a biker person I didn't realize there were two sets of airbags in their bikes then their suits so that if a rider goes down during the session and an airbag inflates they if they're you know physically able to do so can get back on the bike and keep going because there's a second set of airbags it's if they go down twice that they have to come in because there's no more safety mechanism I didn't realize the second set of airbags was the thing I did not know that either I thought it was once it was deployed it's that suit is done right so that's that is interesting I didn't know that yeah yeah but well I mean it's great it's great that this technology is getting better you know I'm sure that it's definitely helped helped a lot of people out there that when they when they wreck but yeah so this will be uh what is it well how many years now I'm trying I don't even know mode GP with my first event in 2018 so however many there have been since then yeah they go well I started buying in 2014 and I still feel like a newbie don't we all sometimes at these of these things yeah so no it should be fun so anyway but yeah I think that's it and then I think I think we've got Miami and yeah maybe some other stuff in between but we'll talk about that I'm sure on a yeah we'll have to come up with something cool to do at Miami if you've got ideas send us an email to a podcast at podcast at podcast at tracksidepodcast.com doesn't roll trippingly after tongue but but it does work and we love your feedback and anything you'd like to give us feedback about or talk to us about or submit a show idea or even an audio clip you've got a voice memos app on your phone sends us some either audio from your event or talk to marshals in your area as soon as it does we'd love to include it on the podcast yeah definitely yeah what do you think should we do another on the street episode from Miami you know that that was actually a very well received episode and that might be a lot of fun with they're not quite as gathered in one place they kind of kind of are but kind of not so yeah we'll see what we can do we can do we can try we'll bring the mics it will make an attempt yeah we'll do something we'll do something in Miami yeah awesome all right well that'll wrap up the podcast yeah it has been fun Jessica and we'll we'll wrap up this episode and it's still kind of hard to believe we're in season two of this but a lot of fun but I'll let you know that this podcast is copyright of its owners and creators though Jessica and I are employed by circled either America's nothing we say represents an official opinion of or endorsement from the circuit or any of their clients or series we might mention all opinions are our own and I will point out that circled america's has not asked us to say that I just say that because I know they might want us to so they're good it's a good call yeah all right we'll see you on another episode or check side the podcast folks there thanks for listening yeah we'll see you you you you[Music]